1 00:00:00,150 --> 00:00:22,099 [Music] 2 00:00:29,710 --> 00:00:26,450 hello friends and welcome to unknown 3 00:00:32,409 --> 00:00:29,720 [Music] 4 00:00:33,060 --> 00:00:32,419 I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging 5 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:33,070 out with me 6 00:00:38,470 --> 00:00:36,110 it's mid-january and that means the 7 00:00:41,380 --> 00:00:38,480 International UFO Congress is right 8 00:00:43,180 --> 00:00:41,390 around the corner the International UFO 9 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:43,190 Congress is a long-running UFO 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:46,300 conference that's entering its 27th year 11 00:00:53,319 --> 00:00:49,730 as far as annual conferences focused on 12 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:53,329 UFOs go this one has been the best in my 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:54,100 opinion 14 00:00:59,290 --> 00:00:57,890 yeah I'm probably biased because we had 15 00:01:01,569 --> 00:00:59,300 rogue planet were part of the 16 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:01,579 conference's organization and management 17 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:05,150 team for many years but still this is a 18 00:01:10,060 --> 00:01:07,760 five-day conference filled with more 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:10,070 than 20 presentations on a variety of 20 00:01:14,649 --> 00:01:13,010 UFO related topics the International UFO 21 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:14,659 Congress is under new ownership this 22 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:17,030 year but promises to deliver the same 23 00:01:21,429 --> 00:01:19,310 experience people have come to expect at 24 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:21,439 the event to give you a little preview 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:23,330 of this year's conference I recently 26 00:01:30,999 --> 00:01:25,850 spoke with Alejandro Rojas the events 27 00:01:31,810 --> 00:01:31,009 emcee and one of its organizers mr. 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:31,820 Rojas 29 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:34,610 I am giddy to be chatting with you right 30 00:01:41,050 --> 00:01:38,900 now because I don't know if if you feel 31 00:01:43,540 --> 00:01:41,060 the same way but I to me it seems like 32 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:43,550 every time we're on the mic together we 33 00:01:52,930 --> 00:01:48,409 caused trouble yeah lots of trouble lots 34 00:01:55,090 --> 00:01:52,940 of fun though - yeah yeah yeah it was 35 00:01:56,230 --> 00:01:55,100 it's always fun being on the air with 36 00:01:58,930 --> 00:01:56,240 you you were one of my favorite people 37 00:02:01,660 --> 00:01:58,940 to talk to well you know I I do miss our 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:01,670 good old days on open minds UFO radio we 39 00:02:05,770 --> 00:02:03,890 did get into quite a bit of trouble on 40 00:02:08,169 --> 00:02:05,780 that show together it was good times 41 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:08,179 it's almost impossible not to get in 42 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:10,009 trouble just sharing your an opinion 43 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:12,409 that's right now they cause a lot of 44 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:14,209 people do that's right unfortunately you 45 00:02:19,930 --> 00:02:16,489 and I never never really fought all that 46 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:19,940 much we got heated sometimes but yeah 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:25,280 not really even if we disagree yeah yeah 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:27,530 well yeah neither of us are that type of 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:29,810 person that's right all he did and 50 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:32,450 everything and usually we were in the 51 00:02:37,870 --> 00:02:34,370 same room together so we just like make 52 00:02:39,970 --> 00:02:37,880 faces at each other yeah exactly well 53 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:39,980 buddy I am happy to have you on today 54 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:43,340 because you are the man to talk to 55 00:02:48,670 --> 00:02:45,950 when it comes to the International UFO 56 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:48,680 Congress and is surprising it as as it 57 00:02:55,150 --> 00:02:52,489 is it's almost Congress time I know time 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:55,160 flies it's crazy it just seems like a 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:02:56,810 few months ago that we wrapped up the 60 00:03:03,070 --> 00:02:59,810 last one here we are again right in the 61 00:03:04,509 --> 00:03:03,080 heat of it you know I bet yeah it's it's 62 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:04,519 sneaking up this time of year always 63 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:08,239 comes so fast and so I wanted to have 64 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:11,209 you on today to kind of talk about this 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:13,280 event with you because you are the man 66 00:03:18,729 --> 00:03:16,370 to talk to you about this and I'm sure 67 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:18,739 that most people interested in UFOs and 68 00:03:22,570 --> 00:03:20,450 certainly people who listen to UFO 69 00:03:24,490 --> 00:03:22,580 podcasts are probably familiar with the 70 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:24,500 International UFO Congress at this point 71 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:26,600 but for people who might not be familiar 72 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:28,670 with it or you know haven't attended 73 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:31,730 this conference before what is the 74 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:35,330 international UFO Congress it is the 75 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:39,950 largest UFO centered event in the 76 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:42,650 country perhaps more I mean we've got a 77 00:03:46,330 --> 00:03:44,060 competition but I think you know we're 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:46,340 more UFO centered than anything else and 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:48,650 we are confident a conference in the way 80 00:03:53,470 --> 00:03:50,930 a traditional you know you go to a hotel 81 00:03:58,770 --> 00:03:53,480 you listen to lectures we just do one at 82 00:04:01,330 --> 00:03:58,780 a time and and we still no one has been 83 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:01,340 given the Guinness world record for the 84 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:04,880 largest conference since we have in 2014 85 00:04:10,930 --> 00:04:08,630 so we still hold that that title the 86 00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:10,940 guest world record holding a conference 87 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:12,500 for largest UFO conference in the world 88 00:04:18,340 --> 00:04:15,410 that's super cool and I mean it's it's 89 00:04:20,409 --> 00:04:18,350 hard to wrap your head around just what 90 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:20,419 a monster of an event this is because 91 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:23,090 there are so many speakers people there 92 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:26,330 giving lectures yeah other conferences 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:27,770 you know would you typically last a 94 00:04:34,090 --> 00:04:31,130 weekend and even then maybe they try to 95 00:04:35,830 --> 00:04:34,100 pack in as much as they can which can be 96 00:04:38,020 --> 00:04:35,840 kind of a bummer because then you don't 97 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:38,030 get as much time to mingle and talk with 98 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:40,910 one another or they just don't have very 99 00:04:45,219 --> 00:04:43,370 many speakers and so the beauty of this 100 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:45,229 one being five days is that you have a 101 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:47,690 ton of speakers but we also have a ton 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:50,000 of time for people to interact with each 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:52,130 other and that's always been a really 104 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:54,050 important part of this conference and 105 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:56,289 not just for 106 00:05:01,409 --> 00:04:58,210 people to interact with each other but 107 00:05:04,529 --> 00:05:01,419 also for people who do work in this 108 00:05:06,329 --> 00:05:04,539 field to interact with each other so we 109 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:06,339 have a lot of people coming to the 110 00:05:11,219 --> 00:05:08,969 conference who you know aren't even 111 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:11,229 speakers but art like Stanton Friedman 112 00:05:15,119 --> 00:05:13,270 or kathleen mart and who come to the 113 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:15,129 event every year and so you can talk 114 00:05:19,489 --> 00:05:16,990 with them and and they get to interact 115 00:05:23,850 --> 00:05:19,499 with their colleagues and everything so 116 00:05:26,609 --> 00:05:23,860 yeah it's an exciting time you know when 117 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:26,619 you and I first when we brought it to 118 00:05:31,230 --> 00:05:29,649 Arizona we didn't know how it would go 119 00:05:33,779 --> 00:05:31,240 and we wanted to keep the tradition of 120 00:05:36,299 --> 00:05:33,789 what the conference was and luckily it's 121 00:05:37,649 --> 00:05:36,309 continued to do well and grow I mean 122 00:05:39,809 --> 00:05:37,659 it's a lot bigger than it used to be 123 00:05:41,189 --> 00:05:39,819 yeah definitely you know I'm so glad you 124 00:05:43,859 --> 00:05:41,199 brought up that point of the social 125 00:05:45,179 --> 00:05:43,869 aspect because you know I think if you 126 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:45,189 have an experience that a lot of people 127 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:47,680 are familiar that that's such an 128 00:05:52,559 --> 00:05:50,080 important aspect of a conference like 129 00:05:54,149 --> 00:05:52,569 this you know some people say why would 130 00:05:56,129 --> 00:05:54,159 I go to a conference I've heard these 131 00:05:58,980 --> 00:05:56,139 people give that lecture before or they 132 00:06:01,649 --> 00:05:58,990 talk about it all the time online or why 133 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:01,659 can't I stream this online and just 134 00:06:06,029 --> 00:06:04,449 watch it from my computer you know all 135 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:06,039 those things are great and yes if you're 136 00:06:09,779 --> 00:06:07,990 just after like give me the information 137 00:06:11,699 --> 00:06:09,789 I want it now and I'm done that's that's 138 00:06:14,699 --> 00:06:11,709 fine you know you can get that elsewhere 139 00:06:17,129 --> 00:06:14,709 but the real value of an event like this 140 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:17,139 I think is that social interaction you 141 00:06:21,570 --> 00:06:19,120 can't get that anywhere else and you get 142 00:06:24,059 --> 00:06:21,580 that real sense of community there and 143 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:24,069 it's just so cool walking down those 144 00:06:28,709 --> 00:06:26,649 halls seeing all these researchers and 145 00:06:31,379 --> 00:06:28,719 just like minded people people who were 146 00:06:33,899 --> 00:06:31,389 so enthusiastic and excited to have 147 00:06:36,239 --> 00:06:33,909 conversations to hear what others have 148 00:06:38,369 --> 00:06:36,249 to say I think it's so important and I 149 00:06:40,109 --> 00:06:38,379 highly encourage people to check out a 150 00:06:43,109 --> 00:06:40,119 conference this conference in particular 151 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:43,119 for nothing you know if for nothing more 152 00:06:47,730 --> 00:06:45,519 than that for that sense of community 153 00:06:50,219 --> 00:06:47,740 and just having conversations with 154 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:50,229 people and one thing I want to talk 155 00:06:54,420 --> 00:06:51,580 about because this was an experience 156 00:06:57,119 --> 00:06:54,430 that we had together it's just the venue 157 00:06:59,609 --> 00:06:57,129 is is remarkable it's so gorgeous and 158 00:07:02,100 --> 00:06:59,619 nice and it was funny because when you 159 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:02,110 and I when they they asked us to come to 160 00:07:07,409 --> 00:07:04,449 a visit their rates were just way too 161 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:07,419 high yes but we did it twofold because 162 00:07:10,110 --> 00:07:09,490 it's so nice out there plus we figured 163 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:10,120 we get a free 164 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:13,300 lunch out of it and at the end you know 165 00:07:18,090 --> 00:07:15,430 we said well we've got an offer that's 166 00:07:21,450 --> 00:07:18,100 way way way lower than what you've got 167 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:21,460 right unless you can match that then I 168 00:07:26,129 --> 00:07:22,720 think we're gonna go with the other one 169 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:26,139 and to our surprise they matched it 170 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:29,050 right which would ya very much a 171 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:31,510 surprise because it's a ridiculously 172 00:07:38,659 --> 00:07:36,010 nice resort mm-hmm and the desert is 173 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:38,669 hard to be it is just beautiful desert 174 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:41,290 and that's something you experience if 175 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:42,639 you go to this conference because you 176 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:45,010 are right there in the heart of it so 177 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:46,570 before we get into some of the the other 178 00:07:52,050 --> 00:07:48,820 aspects of the conference and what it 179 00:07:55,170 --> 00:07:52,060 has to offer let's dive into some of the 180 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:55,180 people you have coming this year again 181 00:07:59,430 --> 00:07:58,000 like I said a massive lineup because 182 00:08:02,520 --> 00:07:59,440 that's something that the Congress has 183 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:02,530 always had what is it something like 25 184 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:05,919 speakers yeah I think right now we've 185 00:08:16,589 --> 00:08:13,720 got 25 that we're at yeah 20 well it 186 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:16,599 depends on who you include it's more 187 00:08:21,150 --> 00:08:19,570 along the lines of 22 actual speakers 188 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:21,160 but then we have people like Ben Hansen 189 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:23,560 who do the Sky Watch in a von Smith who 190 00:08:31,529 --> 00:08:27,490 hosts the abduction panel and then me 191 00:08:33,449 --> 00:08:31,539 who MCS right and the panel discussions 192 00:08:36,180 --> 00:08:33,459 are always cool too and let's highlight 193 00:08:39,420 --> 00:08:36,190 that for a minute because you know 194 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:39,430 Travis Walton is somebody who has spoken 195 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:43,360 at this event several times but for 196 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:45,370 people who want to poopoo that and say 197 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:49,060 oh Chavez Walton I've heard it before he 198 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:51,250 manages to and certainly at this event 199 00:08:59,310 --> 00:08:55,750 he's managed to bring new elements to 200 00:09:02,310 --> 00:08:59,320 the Travis Walton case you know I know 201 00:09:04,110 --> 00:09:02,320 when when we had a Travis panel there 202 00:09:06,750 --> 00:09:04,120 were people there you know his 203 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:06,760 colleagues who were present when the 204 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:09,190 incident occurred and having them on a 205 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:11,620 panel and hearing them verify the story 206 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:13,450 and talk about their you know what was 207 00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:15,220 going through their own minds hearing 208 00:09:19,940 --> 00:09:18,070 that stuff is just an unreal experience 209 00:09:22,079 --> 00:09:19,950 for anybody 210 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:22,089 you know who knows anything about the 211 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:23,980 case and you're doing it again this 212 00:09:28,710 --> 00:09:26,410 with something new yeah that's what's 213 00:09:31,020 --> 00:09:28,720 funny is that there are often speakers 214 00:09:32,820 --> 00:09:31,030 where people will say oh not him again 215 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:32,830 but you know what we've never had that 216 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:34,810 with Travis you know he's pretty much 217 00:09:40,350 --> 00:09:37,600 we've had a policy where we don't ask 218 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:40,360 someone back the next couple years 219 00:09:44,580 --> 00:09:42,370 you know we typically like to wait at 220 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:44,590 least three years or you know before we 221 00:09:49,470 --> 00:09:47,290 have someone bash or the only one that 222 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:49,480 we haven't done that with we used to 223 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:52,960 have jaime mmm you know but you know 224 00:09:58,890 --> 00:09:57,010 well honestly I had issues I don't know 225 00:10:00,720 --> 00:09:58,900 would want to admit whether or not you 226 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:00,730 had issues with some of because we would 227 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:02,380 write stories about a lot of the cases 228 00:10:07,890 --> 00:10:05,890 and you know write about how it was 229 00:10:10,380 --> 00:10:07,900 figured out what this or that was right 230 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:10,390 yeah I'm with you and then that would be 231 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:12,670 a big big highlighted component of his 232 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:15,280 presentation come on come on 233 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:18,370 luckily his antics caught up with him 234 00:10:25,260 --> 00:10:22,930 and so he's no longer a regular but 235 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:25,270 Travis has been because he's local yeah 236 00:10:29,850 --> 00:10:27,430 and there's so much to the story and 237 00:10:32,190 --> 00:10:29,860 people want to hear more more more and 238 00:10:34,950 --> 00:10:32,200 more and this year's great so these are 239 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:34,960 two people that actually my girlfriend 240 00:10:38,850 --> 00:10:36,850 Karen she helped run the 40th 241 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:38,860 anniversary for she ran it for Travis 242 00:10:44,130 --> 00:10:40,630 Walton let's run an event out in the 243 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:44,140 woods a small event and to do that she 244 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:46,330 researched and she was able to find the 245 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:48,880 police officer who was on the scene 246 00:10:53,310 --> 00:10:51,130 first so when those guys were freaked 247 00:10:55,620 --> 00:10:53,320 out they couldn't find Travis after they 248 00:10:59,160 --> 00:10:55,630 they saw this craft and everything they 249 00:11:01,080 --> 00:10:59,170 called the cops they got the dispatch 250 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:01,090 told okay go to this parking lot and 251 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:03,190 we'll have an officer meet you that 252 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:06,520 officer was Chuck Ellison and the first 253 00:11:12,540 --> 00:11:08,740 time he had singing any of these guys so 254 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:12,550 first time he had met Travis at all and 255 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:14,830 seen any of these guys since event had 256 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:17,920 occurred was at that event a few a 257 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:20,140 couple years ago for the anniversary and 258 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:23,170 he was just great he was really cool it 259 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:25,450 was really interesting and to speak to 260 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:28,570 the credibility of the case nobody knew 261 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:30,220 what he was gonna say he could have said 262 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:32,200 oh I knew from the moment I sat laid 263 00:11:37,020 --> 00:11:34,090 eyes on these guys they were full of it 264 00:11:39,330 --> 00:11:37,030 so nobody knew what he was gonna say 265 00:11:42,090 --> 00:11:39,340 so it was really cool to hear him speak 266 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:42,100 he can he's just down-to-earth and he 267 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:42,910 just makes sense 268 00:11:45,870 --> 00:11:44,620 people ask him tough questions why 269 00:11:48,030 --> 00:11:45,880 didn't you guys do this why didn't you 270 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:48,040 guys do that as police officers and he 271 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:50,110 says here's why here's why we did what 272 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:52,210 we did and here's what I felt about 273 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:54,310 things so I don't want to reveal kind of 274 00:11:58,380 --> 00:11:56,380 for people exactly all the details I've 275 00:12:00,630 --> 00:11:58,390 seen the video online but really cool 276 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:00,640 and then so that's really interesting 277 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:03,400 the other one is his brother his brother 278 00:12:06,990 --> 00:12:05,080 I don't think he's ever talked before in 279 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:07,000 a public manner except for at that 280 00:12:11,070 --> 00:12:09,040 anniversary thing again Karen was able 281 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:11,080 to tuck him into that and now they're 282 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:12,970 both he's also coming to the event and 283 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:14,910 his brother has a really interesting 284 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:18,190 story because what happened when Travis 285 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:20,650 was gone is this media frenzy people are 286 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:22,570 you know mobbing their home and 287 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:24,370 everything like you see on television it 288 00:12:28,770 --> 00:12:27,130 was just insanity and so that that 289 00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:28,780 aspect of the story that he has to share 290 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:31,840 is also very very interesting and it 291 00:12:35,460 --> 00:12:33,700 adds a lot to the case and the 292 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:35,470 credibility of the case and that's 293 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:36,940 what's fascinating about this case 294 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:39,000 knowing Travis knowing these witnesses 295 00:12:44,370 --> 00:12:41,830 the more you find out in the more you 296 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:44,380 know to me the more credibility this 297 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:46,930 case gets so this is going to be a lot 298 00:12:53,550 --> 00:12:49,720 of fun and you know that's also 299 00:12:55,950 --> 00:12:53,560 something else it just one of my pet 300 00:12:58,350 --> 00:12:55,960 peeves with the UFO research field is 301 00:13:02,760 --> 00:12:58,360 just the the quickness with which many 302 00:13:05,070 --> 00:13:02,770 people dismiss old cases you know they 303 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:05,080 think oh it happened in the past I've 304 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:06,670 heard all the information there is to 305 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:10,330 hear about it kind of done move on don't 306 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:12,250 want to hear about it again but let's 307 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:14,910 take Travis's case in particular and 308 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:18,010 look how much a new information has come 309 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:20,140 out just in recent years I mean this is 310 00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:23,230 a case that continues to evolve yeah for 311 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:24,940 instance the hearing from these two 312 00:13:29,340 --> 00:13:26,860 people you haven't heard this before 313 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:29,350 exactly maybe you were at that event and 314 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:32,710 you heard some yeah but that was the 315 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:34,390 first time anybody had heard any of this 316 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:36,880 and now at this event now that some of 317 00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:38,500 us have experience with knowing what 318 00:13:42,630 --> 00:13:40,000 they had talked about we can even 319 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:42,640 explore more and hear more information 320 00:13:46,290 --> 00:13:44,530 that just never been heard about this 321 00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:46,300 event that's so cool 322 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,400 well good job with that one that one's 323 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:49,680 super exciting 324 00:13:58,010 --> 00:13:53,970 another very exciting element for this 325 00:13:59,329 --> 00:13:58,020 year's event is the International aspect 326 00:14:01,010 --> 00:13:59,339 and you know that's always been 327 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:01,020 something of the International UFO 328 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:04,890 Congress but it's definitely present 329 00:14:11,630 --> 00:14:08,070 this year and somebody who have coming 330 00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:11,640 is Hawk town octagon and he's fantastic 331 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:15,240 for nothing other than his his name like 332 00:14:19,010 --> 00:14:17,070 it's fun to say his name I don't octagon 333 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:19,020 like I can't wait till you get to get on 334 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:20,850 stage and introduce Hawk town octagon 335 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:23,850 yeah yeah he's cool - yeah yeah I know 336 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:25,529 you've met him he spoke at the 337 00:14:30,860 --> 00:14:27,630 conference before we had it right when 338 00:14:32,450 --> 00:14:30,870 you know you and I went back when they 339 00:14:35,090 --> 00:14:32,460 had it and Laughlin the previous owners 340 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:35,100 and a really cool guy really interesting 341 00:14:39,019 --> 00:14:36,810 stuff he's done some important stuff 342 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:39,029 there in Turkey right so we were lucky 343 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:41,010 to get him and really it's just been 344 00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:43,110 luck it's hard to get international 345 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:45,540 people because they're expensive yep and 346 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:47,940 the coordination is really difficult and 347 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:49,770 this event you know to your point 348 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:52,529 earlier it costs tens of thousands of 349 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:54,510 dollars if people saw the size of these 350 00:14:59,570 --> 00:14:56,910 bills right their jaws would drop that's 351 00:15:02,420 --> 00:14:59,580 why we can't give it all out for free 352 00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:02,430 I mean and there's a lot of money on the 353 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:05,220 line so luckily this year we've been 354 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:07,350 able to get a few great international 355 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:09,630 people yeah that's great and like I said 356 00:15:14,390 --> 00:15:11,610 more times than not it just comes down 357 00:15:16,699 --> 00:15:14,400 to to luck and things just happening to 358 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:16,709 align at the right time mmm-hmm that's 359 00:15:20,390 --> 00:15:18,420 cool and you got Robbie Graham - Robbie 360 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:20,400 Graham is always fun cool to see him 361 00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:22,620 coming yeah that's super exciting 362 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:25,620 because he keeps you know he's been a 363 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:28,650 big splash at least in two UFO 364 00:15:32,090 --> 00:15:30,300 researchers who have seen us work and 365 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:32,100 everything and then you know he released 366 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:33,720 his book I think you're in the book 367 00:15:39,019 --> 00:15:36,750 right I am NOT I I was in the initial 368 00:15:40,850 --> 00:15:39,029 stages of the book but no I'm not part 369 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:40,860 of the book but so many so many people 370 00:15:45,650 --> 00:15:42,410 are in this book but the Corey buddy 371 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:45,660 Ryan Sprague is yeah for sure a great 372 00:15:49,010 --> 00:15:47,310 bishop who spoke Lasher he's a great 373 00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:49,020 right he's going to be at the conference 374 00:15:54,019 --> 00:15:51,779 because he's in the book and this is a 375 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:54,029 chance for a lot of people to meet 376 00:15:58,430 --> 00:15:56,550 Robbie because we many of us haven't met 377 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:58,440 him because he's out in the UK and I 378 00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:00,120 don't know that he's ever even spoken 379 00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:03,360 and at a conference so I was really 380 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:06,149 excited when he accepted because I know 381 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:07,440 he's been playing with the idea of 382 00:16:12,650 --> 00:16:10,260 moving on from the UFO field sure who 383 00:16:14,420 --> 00:16:12,660 knows if he will or not but he kind of 384 00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:14,430 felt like maybe this could be a last 385 00:16:19,190 --> 00:16:16,920 hurrah when it comes to UFOs right and 386 00:16:21,139 --> 00:16:19,200 why not do it at that the biggest event 387 00:16:24,019 --> 00:16:21,149 so I think he's going to be very 388 00:16:26,780 --> 00:16:24,029 controversial what he has to say but 389 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:26,790 that's always fun controversies not a 390 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:28,890 bad thing of course we often have it at 391 00:16:34,430 --> 00:16:30,870 the conference and it responds a lot of 392 00:16:37,610 --> 00:16:34,440 discussion and debate and creates a vibe 393 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:37,620 and an energy that but becomes fun 394 00:16:43,130 --> 00:16:40,110 absolutely I mean you and I talked about 395 00:16:45,019 --> 00:16:43,140 this so often but the goal of the 396 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:45,029 conference isn't to put together a 397 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:47,880 church where people come in you know 398 00:16:51,769 --> 00:16:49,380 preach to the choir and Pat each other 399 00:16:54,110 --> 00:16:51,779 on the back and you know all is its its 400 00:16:56,690 --> 00:16:54,120 presenting different ideas and hearing 401 00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:56,700 other viewpoints and having civil 402 00:17:02,509 --> 00:16:59,820 discussion exactly and you know 403 00:17:05,299 --> 00:17:02,519 certainly there's a lot of speakers here 404 00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:05,309 that you know I'm not the only one who 405 00:17:13,309 --> 00:17:07,260 decides who the speakers are nor have I 406 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,319 ever been sure you know but so even the 407 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:16,160 people though that I do want to bring 408 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:18,839 it's because it's to present people who 409 00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:21,900 are doing real genuine and from research 410 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:24,179 I think people whose hearts in their 411 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:26,910 hearts they believe that they are trying 412 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:28,890 to figure out this mystery and they're 413 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:30,330 not trying to fool people they're just 414 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:32,010 trying to research and get information 415 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:34,980 out and even and many of those these 416 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:37,110 people we disagree with I think you and 417 00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:40,380 I luckily have similar views but not on 418 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:44,390 everything right nobody does and so 419 00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:47,220 that's one aspect of this yeah is just 420 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:49,140 bringing as many different voices and 421 00:17:54,289 --> 00:17:52,440 points of view as possible so a quick 422 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,299 sidenote you know and you can certainly 423 00:18:00,260 --> 00:17:57,120 include people from this upcoming event 424 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:00,270 too but do you have a favorite person 425 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:02,790 you can single out is like in your mind 426 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:05,460 to you personally the most exciting 427 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:08,630 person that we or others have managed to 428 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:11,130 bring to the International UFO Congress 429 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:16,500 Congress hmm that is a really tough 430 00:18:20,270 --> 00:18:18,210 and I don't know if I have an answer for 431 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:20,280 myself either you know it's hard to yeah 432 00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:24,840 to not you know consider Bob Lazar in 433 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:26,070 that just because that was such a 434 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:28,710 historical event being able to bring Bob 435 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:30,270 to the conference 436 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:32,970 you know then we had Richard Hoover NASA 437 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:35,160 astrobiologist yeah got on stage and 438 00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:37,020 said we found extraterrestrial life many 439 00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:39,420 times over so that was really cool and 440 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:41,160 that was your work you were able to get 441 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:42,810 him to come that was that that was a big 442 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,760 that was totes to me that was huge 443 00:18:50,030 --> 00:18:47,520 that's definitely one at the top so yeah 444 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:50,040 so that that's a top one but it's really 445 00:18:54,170 --> 00:18:51,960 hard to say 446 00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:54,180 for me I'm a lot of you know I'm a big 447 00:18:58,970 --> 00:18:57,240 fan and Nick Pope I think some of the 448 00:19:01,790 --> 00:18:58,980 Travis events things that we've had have 449 00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:01,800 been fun yeah I think you know one of 450 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:03,900 the kind of biggest of course Bob Lazar 451 00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,930 was a big deal but Emily trim one of the 452 00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:09,120 witnesses from the aerial event that was 453 00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,600 just a real moment as well when she told 454 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:14,640 her story and she had that emotion that 455 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,740 was you know just everybody who 456 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:18,960 experienced that felt wow this is this 457 00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:22,170 is really an important moment so things 458 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:23,790 like that I think that you know this 459 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:25,410 Travis Walton panel we're gonna bring 460 00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:28,290 will be similar to that will get that 461 00:19:35,030 --> 00:19:32,820 evoke those sort of emotions but I don't 462 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:35,040 know it's really hard to say who would 463 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:38,910 be the best I am even though you know we 464 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:40,050 talked about having different 465 00:19:44,540 --> 00:19:42,750 perspectives I'm excited to see Bill 466 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,550 burns I know you know he and I certainly 467 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,620 don't share all the same perspectives 468 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:48,960 but he's such a character right he's 469 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:50,850 such an interesting character and we've 470 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:52,410 got a lot of great characters you know 471 00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:54,150 Steve ambassador into how those are 472 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,340 really interesting characters rather 473 00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:58,320 than my heart or I think it's a really 474 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:01,500 interesting character Brice is able oh 475 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:03,510 my gosh I mean talk about a character 476 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,470 exactly so we've got a lot of that sort 477 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:09,600 of thing and those are always kind of 478 00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:11,730 fun moments so it would it's really hard 479 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:14,400 to say and what's fun though is M seeing 480 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,890 it right introducing all of these people 481 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:19,200 because it's like you're on a podcast 482 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:21,570 you know it's fun to introduce them 483 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:23,790 because it's I'm so excited that they're 484 00:20:28,610 --> 00:20:25,350 gonna be on stage sharing their 485 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:28,620 information and so it's a great it's 486 00:20:32,140 --> 00:20:30,050 great to be able to in 487 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:32,150 reduce these people and and hopefully 488 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:33,650 have the audience share in my excitement 489 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:37,240 to bring them because everybody almost 490 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:40,610 practically in fact it would be just as 491 00:20:45,970 --> 00:20:42,710 hard if a question to ask who was really 492 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:45,980 awful and who was just like yeah was 493 00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:47,810 that true not worth it and you totally 494 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:51,380 regret it and and that would be another 495 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:53,240 hard one to answer because everybody has 496 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:55,580 something interesting to share that's 497 00:20:59,860 --> 00:20:56,930 right that's why they're speaking at the 498 00:21:01,450 --> 00:20:59,870 International UFO Congress mm-hmm all 499 00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:01,460 right so we touched on some of the 500 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,440 lectures so many more and sure sure go 501 00:21:11,410 --> 00:21:09,440 for it I was I I felt it was a great 502 00:21:14,110 --> 00:21:11,420 honor just like having Robby Graham for 503 00:21:15,730 --> 00:21:14,120 the first time on stage I felt really 504 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:15,740 honored to have Brian Sprague I think 505 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:19,400 he's a great guy I was really happy that 506 00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,570 we were able to bring him to the 507 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:22,640 conference and he did an amazing job 508 00:21:28,270 --> 00:21:25,310 and that was one of the highlights for 509 00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:28,280 me recently was being able to have be 510 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:30,740 the first to bring him on stage that's 511 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:33,880 very cool yeah and I know that one was 512 00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:38,210 received quite well mm-hmm oh yeah cool 513 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:39,380 for Ryan 514 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:41,990 so there are plenty of great lectures 515 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,780 and that is the the real meat of the 516 00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,880 event but you know this is something 517 00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:49,280 that has a large vendor hall with 518 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:52,060 exhibitors selling a variety of things 519 00:21:57,790 --> 00:21:55,730 you also have a Film Festival right yeah 520 00:22:01,480 --> 00:21:57,800 so we've got a Film Festival it's packed 521 00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:01,490 with movies this year we only have so 522 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,980 what happens is to Tuesday today before 523 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:06,400 the conference everybody watches all our 524 00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:09,530 volunteer judges come to the back room 525 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:12,350 had the conference and they watch all 526 00:22:15,550 --> 00:22:13,970 the films so they get there in the 527 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:15,560 morning and they watch films until the 528 00:22:19,450 --> 00:22:17,510 night they watch all of them and then 529 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,460 they choose the top three for each 530 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,440 category long form and short form and 531 00:22:26,830 --> 00:22:23,840 then we show those on Thursday and 532 00:22:28,330 --> 00:22:26,840 Friday night this year we only have 533 00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:28,340 three long forms so they're all going to 534 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:29,780 make it but they're really tough 535 00:22:34,090 --> 00:22:31,820 competition they're all well produced 536 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:34,100 and the short form ones also are very 537 00:22:39,550 --> 00:22:36,800 well produced so I think that people are 538 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,560 gonna love these films I'll be posting 539 00:22:43,379 --> 00:22:42,080 who the people the films are I haven't 540 00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:43,389 even let them know that there 541 00:22:46,529 --> 00:22:44,649 trees have been accepted I'll probably 542 00:22:48,209 --> 00:22:46,539 be doing that today or tomorrow and then 543 00:22:50,099 --> 00:22:48,219 post that on the website in the next 544 00:22:51,719 --> 00:22:50,109 couple days as well so yeah the Film 545 00:22:52,229 --> 00:22:51,729 Festival this year is gonna be really 546 00:22:54,629 --> 00:22:52,239 good 547 00:22:56,459 --> 00:22:54,639 that's pretty exciting mm-hmm and new 548 00:22:58,079 --> 00:22:56,469 people that you know people have never 549 00:23:00,599 --> 00:22:58,089 heard of and that's really exciting in 550 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,609 fact I think maybe only one or two of 551 00:23:05,099 --> 00:23:03,039 these people are repeats that's the 552 00:23:07,139 --> 00:23:05,109 present yeah so they've never even 553 00:23:10,379 --> 00:23:07,149 submitted to the festival before Wow 554 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:10,389 very cool that's something else it's 555 00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:12,190 always a highlight and you know this is 556 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:13,929 something that we get asked all the time 557 00:23:21,449 --> 00:23:17,289 and that's you know where where can I go 558 00:23:24,419 --> 00:23:21,459 to see a UFO or you know how do I sky 559 00:23:27,509 --> 00:23:24,429 watch and you know something pretty much 560 00:23:29,339 --> 00:23:27,519 every year Ben Hansen is there and this 561 00:23:31,379 --> 00:23:29,349 is something I really encourage people 562 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:31,389 to do because it gives you the 563 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:35,049 opportunity to see what super high 564 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:38,049 quality military-grade night-vision can 565 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:40,419 do and how it enhances your ability to 566 00:23:45,389 --> 00:23:42,690 see strange stuff in the sky at night 567 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:45,399 mm-hmm yeah Ben's a great person to do 568 00:23:51,499 --> 00:23:48,700 it too because he's he's patient he's a 569 00:23:54,779 --> 00:23:51,509 great instructor he does it a lot and 570 00:23:57,839 --> 00:23:54,789 and sometimes you know something is seen 571 00:23:59,399 --> 00:23:57,849 now typically at least I think I and I 572 00:24:02,009 --> 00:23:59,409 think Ben would feel that we've been 573 00:24:04,289 --> 00:24:02,019 able to explain everything that has been 574 00:24:08,399 --> 00:24:04,299 seen at these Nightwatch sky watches he 575 00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,409 does however that is not the case for 576 00:24:13,379 --> 00:24:11,440 everyone there are definitely people who 577 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:13,389 walk away feeling that they had seen 578 00:24:18,089 --> 00:24:14,769 something that they bill is 579 00:24:20,729 --> 00:24:18,099 extraterrestrial in nature sure and and 580 00:24:22,499 --> 00:24:20,739 who knows but so that's always a lot of 581 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:22,509 fun and it's something that you and I 582 00:24:28,979 --> 00:24:25,809 agree on and and we try to say this many 583 00:24:30,869 --> 00:24:28,989 times but although it might be a little 584 00:24:32,999 --> 00:24:30,879 disappointing if you don't see an 585 00:24:35,789 --> 00:24:33,009 extraterrestrial spacecraft it's 586 00:24:38,729 --> 00:24:35,799 incredibly valuable to see things in the 587 00:24:40,649 --> 00:24:38,739 sky with that night vision and then be 588 00:24:42,389 --> 00:24:40,659 able to explain them I think it's 589 00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,399 incredibly important and valuable for 590 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:44,320 people to see that stuff go wow that's 591 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:46,329 weird and then hear what the explanation 592 00:24:51,539 --> 00:24:49,570 is because that helps eliminate that 593 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:51,549 when they see that in the future so they 594 00:24:55,769 --> 00:24:53,289 can focus on the more interesting things 595 00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:55,779 yeah I think people get frustrated with 596 00:25:00,480 --> 00:24:57,660 people like us because of core 597 00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,490 we get excited yeah something gets 598 00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:02,080 explained right and people I think get 599 00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:04,300 mad like why are you excited it does 600 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:06,390 improve you know what we're trying to 601 00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:09,490 tell people right and it's because you 602 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:10,780 know when you're looking for the truth 603 00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:12,970 and the real answer is it's because now 604 00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:15,460 I know I can put that one aside and we 605 00:25:20,610 --> 00:25:17,380 all learned something we don't know how 606 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:20,620 to identify this sort of object whatever 607 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:24,130 was misidentified yeah absolutely you're 608 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:27,160 right I don't think people are as 609 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:29,770 excited as we are about that stuff yeah 610 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:31,690 I wouldn't that if we in the past had 611 00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:33,130 high-fived each other in the office 612 00:25:36,930 --> 00:25:34,600 because we figure something out and 613 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:36,940 which a lot of that definitely happened 614 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:42,480 happy so in the past there have been 615 00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:45,130 awards presented at this conference our 616 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:46,900 awards continuing this year beyond the 617 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:51,190 film festival yeah they are and I think 618 00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:53,010 you're probably asking because the 619 00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:55,870 conference ownership has changed hand so 620 00:26:00,090 --> 00:25:58,300 sure the owner of open mind used to own 621 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:00,100 the conference and now the conference is 622 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:02,950 owned by Karen Burrard who someone who 623 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:05,890 put on that Travis Walton event and is 624 00:26:14,370 --> 00:26:11,940 happens to be my significant other and 625 00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:14,380 yeah we're still gonna do awards I'm 626 00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:16,180 okay I think awards are really important 627 00:26:20,550 --> 00:26:17,980 I think it's important a lot of times 628 00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,560 people you know it can a lot of these 629 00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:23,440 people in some way our unsung heroes and 630 00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:25,390 I and of course it's always 631 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:27,460 controversial when we make these awards 632 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:31,090 people disagree with sometimes not as 633 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:32,830 much the Lifetime Achievement but 634 00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:34,530 sometimes they disagree with the 635 00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:36,940 researcher of the year right but then 636 00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:38,920 again you know I took so much crap for 637 00:26:44,550 --> 00:26:41,980 last year none of it and I stood by the 638 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:44,560 decision the entire year even and took 639 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:46,510 it you know bring it on I'll tell you 640 00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:49,690 why we give the award to Tom DeLonge and 641 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:52,300 I think that they're probably still some 642 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:54,250 people who would disagree but I've heard 643 00:27:01,170 --> 00:26:57,610 from dozens and dozens a lot of people 644 00:27:05,370 --> 00:27:01,180 who say okay I guess I you know it what 645 00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:05,380 he did is significant so and it was I 646 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:08,740 feel so it was really important and it 647 00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:10,660 led to you know what's what's happened 648 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:10,990 in the 649 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:14,350 last few weeks oh so yeah this year will 650 00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:17,170 probably be controversial again um we'll 651 00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:20,620 see but it's fun because I think that it 652 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:23,320 these always go to people who put in a 653 00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:24,970 lot of effort and do some important 654 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:28,660 things so you know I'll be doing if you 655 00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:31,350 probably already made the decision but 656 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:34,780 if I can throw throw my vote in just to 657 00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:39,010 let you so the few weeks ago on Ryan 658 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:40,780 spragues podcast and we're in the skies 659 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:45,190 we discussed who our researcher of the 660 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:47,110 year might be if we were to name a 661 00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:50,290 researcher of the year and I cast my 662 00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:53,350 vote for one of your speakers Cheryl 663 00:27:58,380 --> 00:27:55,240 Costa oh that's really interesting 664 00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:58,390 because Cheryl you know there when it 665 00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:00,940 comes to UFO research these days you 666 00:28:05,490 --> 00:28:02,950 know there's not a lot of you know 667 00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:05,500 digging into files and looking at 668 00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:08,950 numbers and putting together data you 669 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:11,980 know and she and and her partner really 670 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,200 did that and and did it well with the 671 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:15,760 the book they released about UFO 672 00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:18,730 sighting statistics so I agree I mean 673 00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:20,860 that's why she's there this year and I 674 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:23,470 think that the other aspect that I I 675 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:25,690 appreciate which I'm sure you do as well 676 00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:28,270 as his media you and I are love the 677 00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:31,240 media where media guys and she did all 678 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:33,160 of this outreach to let people know 679 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:36,730 about her book and and the significance 680 00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:38,200 of that you know there are a lot more 681 00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:40,059 sightings out there than people realize 682 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:43,480 and and her book got written up in the 683 00:28:48,299 --> 00:28:46,420 New York Times who knows I can't 684 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:48,309 remember all the other places but tons 685 00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,200 yeah she was very successful in 686 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,760 generating those headlines and getting 687 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:53,440 the attention and getting people to 688 00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:55,210 notice that it was really cool to see 689 00:29:00,480 --> 00:28:58,030 him so before this DoD thing really her 690 00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:00,490 efforts brought a lot of legitimacy to 691 00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:03,340 this to this field and I agree she's 692 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:04,929 she's done a tremendous job this year 693 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,530 and lastly I think we most certainly 694 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:10,720 need to talk about this exciting recent 695 00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:13,780 edition of Lou Elizondo so tell me about 696 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:16,929 that yeah this has been super cool we're 697 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:20,169 so happy to be in contact with Lou 698 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:22,870 Elizondo the man of the hour the man of 699 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:24,160 the decade 700 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:27,130 yes me at least regarding UFOs because I 701 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:29,620 think this is a this is probably I feel 702 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:31,690 and I I don't know if you feel the same 703 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,670 the most important thing to happen in 704 00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:35,610 this field since I've been involved with 705 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:37,900 following it 706 00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:40,930 it certainly is sort of earth-shattering 707 00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:42,760 in in our world and and the world at 708 00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:45,280 large I mean this yeah yeah because of 709 00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:48,400 his work and what he's done just in a 710 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:52,030 matter of months has really altered UFO 711 00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:54,370 history yeah and the way people perceive 712 00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:55,060 it 713 00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:58,180 I feel so we're really happy to be in 714 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:00,520 contact and he wanted to be at the 715 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:02,890 conference but he's not however he is 716 00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:04,900 allowing us to go to his home and 717 00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:07,720 videotape an interview with him and 718 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:09,940 we're good we're asking for people to 719 00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:12,490 send us questions okay they can send 720 00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,480 them to Alejandro at UFO congress.com 721 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:19,360 and then we'll compile some questions of 722 00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:21,430 course I have a ton that we'll be able 723 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:26,230 to ask him but this is really cool so as 724 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:28,390 you know you know there there we talked 725 00:30:34,350 --> 00:30:32,170 about earlier the researcher of the Year 726 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:34,360 award and I think that no doubt Lou 727 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:36,460 Elizondo would be one of the people he 728 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:40,390 is a UFO researcher in secret but you 729 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:46,510 know he was doing that and he this was 730 00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,980 really cool I want to read to you what 731 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:50,080 he said he said I don't want any sort of 732 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:54,160 award at all well he said in fact if 733 00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:56,770 there is indeed an award to be given it 734 00:31:02,040 --> 00:30:59,080 should be awarded as a group to all 735 00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:02,050 those in the UFO community who have been 736 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:04,660 ridiculed and marginalized and yet 737 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:07,570 somehow doggedly persisted in their 738 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:09,880 pursuit of the truth despite the 739 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:14,260 naysayers and the cynics what a nice guy 740 00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:17,050 yeah and he continues to talk like that 741 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:19,300 he he was really excited to come to the 742 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:21,520 conference to mingle with these people 743 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:23,530 because you can tell and he says he was 744 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:26,110 partly inspired by these people who have 745 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:28,930 been looking into this so he really has 746 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:33,400 a lot of sympathy and appreciates the 747 00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:35,230 people that are interested in all of 748 00:31:38,049 --> 00:31:36,700 this and have been looking into it for 749 00:31:40,509 --> 00:31:38,059 years so 750 00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:40,519 well yeah that is really cool so I think 751 00:31:47,139 --> 00:31:44,840 eventually here as time rolls on he's 752 00:31:49,239 --> 00:31:47,149 asked me you know if you want me to talk 753 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,249 to some people that's cool so I'll be 754 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:50,960 getting him in contact with a lot of 755 00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:53,090 people and I think as time goes on we'll 756 00:31:57,399 --> 00:31:54,919 all be communicating with him and 757 00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,409 interacting with him and I think that's 758 00:32:03,249 --> 00:32:00,559 gonna be another huge benefit for this 759 00:32:06,639 --> 00:32:03,259 field because he's just a really cool 760 00:32:08,979 --> 00:32:06,649 genuine person with obviously incredible 761 00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:08,989 experience now of course there are some 762 00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:10,700 things that he can't talk about still 763 00:32:16,029 --> 00:32:13,460 but even what he can talk about and 764 00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,039 being someone of his caliber that is 765 00:32:21,369 --> 00:32:18,559 willing to out be out here with us 766 00:32:25,180 --> 00:32:21,379 looking into this topic is is a huge 767 00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:25,190 gain a huge benefit for all of us so we 768 00:32:30,129 --> 00:32:28,249 are extremely excited about that we 769 00:32:32,349 --> 00:32:30,139 couldn't be happier we wanted for that 770 00:32:36,579 --> 00:32:32,359 Saturday night spot to have it related 771 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:36,589 to this whole situations or and luckily 772 00:32:39,249 --> 00:32:38,450 we got the best guy you could imagine 773 00:32:40,749 --> 00:32:39,259 for it 774 00:32:43,749 --> 00:32:40,759 that's fantastic what a great addition 775 00:32:46,209 --> 00:32:43,759 and when I know you need to move on 776 00:32:47,589 --> 00:32:46,219 there so when is the deadline really for 777 00:32:51,249 --> 00:32:47,599 people who want to submit questions for 778 00:32:54,609 --> 00:32:51,259 possible deadlines about giving them to 779 00:32:56,859 --> 00:32:54,619 us by next week by Friday the 19th would 780 00:32:58,959 --> 00:32:56,869 be probably guys okay cool 781 00:33:01,019 --> 00:32:58,969 so that would be sooner the better 782 00:33:03,489 --> 00:33:01,029 alejandra at UFO Congress calm you said 783 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:03,499 exactly alright fantastic well that's 784 00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:06,169 super exciting yeah very very exciting 785 00:33:12,729 --> 00:33:10,159 yeah fantastic well what is one thing I 786 00:33:14,979 --> 00:33:12,739 know there are many things but if you 787 00:33:17,259 --> 00:33:14,989 had to name one thing that might be 788 00:33:19,419 --> 00:33:17,269 something that somebody from the general 789 00:33:21,070 --> 00:33:19,429 public you know somebody in the local 790 00:33:23,529 --> 00:33:21,080 Phoenix area who is just kind of 791 00:33:26,139 --> 00:33:23,539 casually interested in UFOs 792 00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:26,149 what's one it one thing that someone 793 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:27,349 from the general public might find most 794 00:33:33,729 --> 00:33:29,769 interesting at the conference this year 795 00:33:38,469 --> 00:33:33,739 one thing can I do three you can do 796 00:33:40,419 --> 00:33:38,479 three what a sales man good for you just 797 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,429 because tal Keller we have it he 798 00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:42,320 actually I've wanted him to speak for a 799 00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:43,820 while because he was an engineer who 800 00:33:48,609 --> 00:33:46,190 worked in the space in aerospace 801 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:48,619 industry good friend which aren't Jan 802 00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:51,710 Harrison who runs MUFON and and I 803 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:53,240 really excited that he'll be speaking 804 00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:55,010 this year and he's going to be talking 805 00:33:59,649 --> 00:33:57,529 about aerospace and just observation at 806 00:34:01,779 --> 00:33:59,659 different craft and and our some of them 807 00:34:05,019 --> 00:34:01,789 ours or some of them there's I think 808 00:34:06,639 --> 00:34:05,029 that's gonna be really fascinating along 809 00:34:08,619 --> 00:34:06,649 those lines we have a guy who used to 810 00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:08,629 work for NASA his entire career and this 811 00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:10,820 is another win for Karen because this 812 00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:12,500 guy has kind of been behind the scenes 813 00:34:16,359 --> 00:34:14,119 helping out MUFON and other 814 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:16,369 organizations and this is the first time 815 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:18,710 he's going to come talk this is Alan 816 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:21,609 Holt who is a NASA project 817 00:34:26,349 --> 00:34:24,649 analyst manager and the other person 818 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:26,359 that I think is really fun as it's Deena 819 00:34:32,589 --> 00:34:29,210 Alioto who's a filmmaker and he made 820 00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,599 this film as a student about alien 821 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:35,119 abduction and what shocking is this is 822 00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:38,210 before this was a first-person thriller 823 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:41,480 found footage thriller way before Blair 824 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:44,089 Witch or any of them hmm and it was a 825 00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:46,609 big hit and to this day there are a lot 826 00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:48,470 of people who have all these conspiracy 827 00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:51,080 theories around his film so he thinks 828 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,580 that's funny he hasn't wanted to talk 829 00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:54,320 about any of it and he decided you know 830 00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:55,669 what I want to do it I'm gonna see if 831 00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:57,950 these UFO Congress people let me talk 832 00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,990 about it and so he's gonna be talking 833 00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:02,000 about that and I'm really excited about 834 00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:05,300 that but one last thing is we have a 835 00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,270 large number of women this year which is 836 00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:09,440 a lot of fun and I think that's 837 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:11,900 something great with the Karen we always 838 00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:14,089 focus on that I mean trying to bring as 839 00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:18,260 many as possible and Karen I think done 840 00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:21,140 a lot of great outreach so everything 841 00:35:25,770 --> 00:35:23,060 from Jennifer Stein with some great 842 00:35:28,329 --> 00:35:25,780 research on rock crop circles to 843 00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:28,339 abduction researchers like Suzy Hanson 844 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:32,660 and Nancy doTERRA tan and and then Susan 845 00:35:37,810 --> 00:35:35,420 Palmer who's a professor of sociology 846 00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:37,820 going to talk about the sociology of all 847 00:35:42,609 --> 00:35:40,070 of this and then aunt ruffles daughter 848 00:35:45,490 --> 00:35:42,619 because aunt ruffle famous very famous 849 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:45,500 in this field she's gotten quite old and 850 00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:47,089 she couldn't make it to travel out we've 851 00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:48,830 been trying to get her but her daughter 852 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:50,599 decided to come and talk and her 853 00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:53,690 daughter is wonderful she does talks for 854 00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:55,180 a church group about climate change 855 00:36:00,460 --> 00:35:58,310 around the world she is a lecturer and 856 00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:00,470 it's gonna be wonderful to have her talk 857 00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:02,660 about her mom's work wow that's really 858 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:03,940 cool 859 00:36:08,279 --> 00:36:06,670 yeah we got in like five or six yeah you 860 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:08,289 squeezed it but that's all right no I 861 00:36:12,329 --> 00:36:10,210 definitely think that stuff that the 862 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:12,339 general public would be interested in so 863 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:14,950 all right we're looking at February 14th 864 00:36:20,099 --> 00:36:17,470 through the 18th for the International 865 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:20,109 UFO Congress where can people go to get 866 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:21,130 tickets 867 00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:25,150 yeah UFO Congress comm so UFO Congress 868 00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:28,049 comm don't forget that URL is UFO 869 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:31,150 congress.com and that's where people can 870 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:33,430 get tickets and really the tickets if 871 00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:36,579 you want to come for the weekend it's a 872 00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,289 steal I mean it's only like 100 bucks 873 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:40,000 it's a little more than that if you want 874 00:36:47,069 --> 00:36:42,690 to come for the entire thing it's about 875 00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,079 300 but there are we're not the most 876 00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:49,359 expensive event even though we're more 877 00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:51,640 than twice as long as most of the other 878 00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:54,280 events so a lot of these weekend events 879 00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,500 are priced even higher than we are so 880 00:37:03,630 --> 00:36:59,200 it's a great deal bang for your buck 881 00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:03,640 yeah all right and let's talk lodging 882 00:37:10,109 --> 00:37:07,030 obviously the host hotel is a major 883 00:37:13,019 --> 00:37:10,119 booked out oh so where would you 884 00:37:15,269 --> 00:37:13,029 recommend people go to find lodging a 885 00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:15,279 nearby the event yeah that is an 886 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:17,260 important thing we sell out earlier and 887 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,240 earlier I mean yeah I mean you know when 888 00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,000 you and I went and looked for venues and 889 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:25,119 we chose the hotel we did we it had 890 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:27,160 enough rooms for the number of people 891 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:29,049 right used to come to the conference and 892 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:31,900 we didn't know if we were gonna get the 893 00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:33,849 attendance they they had gotten the past 894 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:37,480 we were lucky and that we got more than 895 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:41,410 we ever wanted and the hotel keeps 896 00:37:44,789 --> 00:37:43,270 booking out earlier and earlier every 897 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:44,799 year it's kind of like our own little 898 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:48,490 mini comic-con so this one this time it 899 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:50,529 booked out in August before we had even 900 00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:53,020 announced any speakers or anything you 901 00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:54,849 know that was up was a date in the car 902 00:37:58,859 --> 00:37:57,220 the hotel was booked up so Daisy this 903 00:38:00,720 --> 00:37:58,869 book you can't get on a waiting list 904 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:00,730 sometimes people get on but I would 905 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:03,190 recommend that people go look at other 906 00:38:09,329 --> 00:38:05,260 options and there are plenty so if you 907 00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:09,339 go to the lodging page at the UFO 908 00:38:14,579 --> 00:38:11,049 Congress calm you're gonna see a whole 909 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:14,589 list of other places you can stay now 910 00:38:17,790 --> 00:38:16,450 some of those are starting to get booked 911 00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,800 up because you know 912 00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,880 now that people are going to the 913 00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:21,280 secondary but some of these places offer 914 00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:24,580 discounted prices for us so you'll see 915 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:28,060 that there otherwise we also have more 916 00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:29,350 towards the bottom some of the very 917 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:32,620 affordable places so you could save a 918 00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:35,110 lot of money by staying for example at 919 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:37,240 the Econo Lodge and then renting a car 920 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:39,610 cuz you can rent a car for like 20 bucks 921 00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:41,890 a day these days so that's another 922 00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,070 option well excellent and like you said 923 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:46,720 you've got all that information at UFO 924 00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:49,420 Congress com a very informative website 925 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,740 with all the information you could 926 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:52,240 possibly want about the International 927 00:38:59,130 --> 00:38:55,450 UFO Congress Alejandro thank you so much 928 00:39:01,620 --> 00:38:59,140 for taking the time to gab all things 929 00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:01,630 International UFO Congress and I look 930 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:03,880 forward to seeing you there buddy yeah I 931 00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:06,070 can't look forward to seeing you too it 932 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:07,600 was a lot of fun 933 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:18,930 a big thank you to all Hondo for taking 934 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:20,650 the time to tell us a little about this 935 00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,870 year's conference the website for the 936 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:25,380 event again is UFO congress.com 937 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:28,150 I'll be at the 2018 international UFO 938 00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:29,770 Congress here and there to cover the 939 00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,900 event for rogue planet probably doing 940 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:33,720 some live streaming and other fun stuff 941 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:36,760 watch the website or our social channels 942 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,100 when we get closer to the event for more 943 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:41,920 details on what we'll be up to that's 944 00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:43,210 going to do it for this episode of 945 00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:45,070 unknown if you're interested in more 946 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:46,900 content like this show swing by our 947 00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:49,840 website rogue planet TV you can also 948 00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:51,940 join our rogue planet Facebook group 949 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:54,040 that's where you'll be able to read 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